© Josh Sager
Note — While many include gay rights and transsexual/transgendered rights in the same category, I am writing this refutation solely on the issue of arguments against gay equality. I will write a similar article in the future refuting arguments against transsexual rights, but that will be a completely separate endeavor — Note
In the following article, I will attempt to debunk all of the major anti-gay arguments which are commonly used to justify legalized bigotry. Laws which discriminate against gay people in marriage, civil protections, and parenting rights are commonly proposed at the state level, particularly in the southern USA.
Fortunately, the general trajectory of recent federal laws is towards greater equality, but we still have a good way to go before full equality is realized.
- Before 2003, states were allowed to ban gay sex. The Supreme Court case Lawrence v. Texas changed this and rendered all anti-sodomy laws unconstitutional.
- Before 2011, openly gay people weren’t allowed to serve in our military. The repeal of don’t ask don’t tell (the official policy of discrimination) in 2011 by the Obama administration stopped this type of discrimination.
- By the end of 2012, 9 states had legalized gay marriage.
- Current public opinion polls show that more Americans today support gay equality than discrimination—this distribution is far-improved from even a few years ago, when more people favored discrimination than equality.
While there have been numerous advances in equality, discriminatory laws still exist in most states. Currently, 41 have legal statutes in place banning gay marriage. Over the last few years, many states have gradually moved towards marriage equality, but this has been slow and there are still numerous state-level fights over gay rights.
Personally, I am straight and find myself utterly unaffected by anti-gay legislation, thus many would wonder why I would consider anti-gay legislation to be such an important issue; it is often these very same people who will stand by and let anti-gay legislation pass under the justification that it doesn’t affect them and they have no stake in stopping such discrimination. I support gay equality for three simple reasons:
1) I see it as unfair to discriminate against a minority group based upon characteristics that are absolutely harmless to society. Regardless of whether legalized discrimination is against a religious, racial, or sexual orientation minority, I will do my best to fight against it.
2) I recognize a very serious danger to equality when I see it and believe that all bigotry must be rejected, lest it set a bad precedent. Whenever a group begins to be persecuted under the law, it sets a precedent that bigotry is acceptable and invites further attacks on minority groups. Even if you don’t belong to the persecuted class, you must stand up against bigotry, if only because the next class to be persecuted may be yours. If you refuse to stand up when others are being unfairly persecuted, then you have no right to complain when it is you who is being persecuted and nobody comes to your aid.
3) In addition to the issue of bigotry, I also have a severe problem with any religious encroachment into secular policy. I am an atheist (raised Jewish) and don’t want my government to obey any religion. The law should be based upon secular morality and logic, not age-old superstations and ignorant customs from the Stone Age.
In order to combat bigotry, we must argue with the bigots and make coherent points to combat their rhetoric. While it is unlikely that we will ever sway the true-believers, the following arguments might be able to sway the marginal individuals who make up the undecided category—I would like to invite any reader to use the following refutations as their own.
1) “Being gay is a sin, thus it should be banned by law.”
Depending upon one’s religion, homosexuality may very well be a sin, but this has no bearing on the law. The United States is a secular democracy and the first Amendment to our constitution guarantees that our laws are not based in any religion’s doctrines. As such, any attempts to ban homosexuality or deny homosexuals equal rights based upon the concept of religious sin are completely unconstitutional and wrongheaded.
The entire concept of a “sin” is subjective and is based purely upon the religious beliefs of the religion that is labeling the behavior; every religion has its own set of “sins” and there is no real consensus between the religions. In essence, a “sin” is whatever a religion decides to label as a taboo action (ex. eating pork) and nothing more—just because something is a “sin” it does not mean that that action is immoral or something that can be made illegal. Some “sins” are based around secular taboos (ex. theft, rape and murder) and thus parallel the secular law, while others are based around religious taboos (ex. homosexuality, eating pork, not covering one’s head) and have no place being introduced into secular law.
Due to the highly subjective nature of the concept of sin, there is little point in arguing whether or not homosexuality is actually a sin—if a religion wants to call any action a sin under their doctrine, then that is their right. If the religion in question wants to frown on the “sin” then that is also their right, but the mere fact that some religion considers an action a sin in no way means that our secular laws should be altered to reflect this displeasure.
Our founders were intelligent enough to recognize that every religion has its own set of taboo “sins,” and that our country’s laws must be based around secular morality rather than religious taboo. To this end, they wrote the 1st Amendment to the constitution in order to prevent future generations from enshrining their personal religious ideals into the secular law.
Many religions—particularly fundamentalist Christianity and Islam—have classified homosexuality as among their most severe sins. Such religious groups often put up extreme resistance to legal equality for homosexuals in societies which they have a strong influence. In the United States, most of these anti-gay religious individuals are fundamentalist Christians.
Homosexuality may be a religious sin, but it is not immoral and has no detrimental effect on society. There is simply no real secular justification for any legal discrimination against gays, and all attempts to discriminate against gays in the law can be traced back to bigotry and religious tenants. Without a secular reason to pass laws discriminating against gays, we are left with the simple fact that anti-gay legislation is purely bigotry and has no place in the law.
If homosexuals are legally discriminated against due to purely religious reasons, what prevents other potential “sinners” from being persecuted for their “sins?” After all, a great many things that we enjoy every day are considered “sins” by one religion or another:
- According to Judaism, people must eat kosher and it is a “sin” to eat bacon, cheeseburgers, lobster and most BBQ.
- According to Christianity, all premarital sex is a “sin.”
- According to Islam, women who don’t cover their bodies are committing a “sin.”
- According to Hinduism, it is a “sin” to touch somebody of a higher caste.
Just like with homosexuality, none of these religious “sins” have a secular justification and it is insane to expect that society will conform to a religion that they don’t believe in. Unlike some countries (ex. Iran) we in the USA don’t alter the secular laws to reflect any religion’s concept of sin because we understand the idea of religious choice. The second we accept bigotry against gays, we open the door to religious laws infiltrating further into our country and attacking our religious freedoms further.
Unless somebody can point to a real victim of homosexual behavior and make a secular case for discrimination (which is impossible), it is ridiculous to legally discriminate against homosexuals. Such laws make as much sense as laws that would enforce bans on other behaviors that some religions consider sins—such as banning all seafood, or mandating that all men must grow their beards to a certain length.
Let religions keep their ideas of sin in-house, leaving secular logic to decide secular law. If religious individuals want to label homosexuality as a sin, that is there right, but their label should have no power outside of their religious faith (ex. they can refuse to marry gay people in their house of worship, but they can’t prevent gay people from getting married).
2) “Homosexuality is immoral and unnatural, thus the government has the duty to ban it.”
Those who support this argument are letting their religious ideology and personal biases overshadow their understanding of fact. In reality, homosexuality is morally identical to heterosexuality and is probably just a naturally occurring biological variant.
When all religious and social biases are taken out of the equation, we are left with the simple fact that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both morally neutral; they involve two consenting adults interacting in a way that has no effect on the wellbeing of other people. Regardless of the combination of genders involved, these relationships are only the business of those involved and there is no legitimate reason why they should be labeled as immoral.
The entire concept of homosexuality being immoral is based not in objective reality, but in a complex set of religious and societal biases. Many religious and secular codes of conduct have attached a specious label of immorality to homosexuality—from Christianity labeling homosexuality a sin to machismo labeling it as immoral and unmanly. When individuals today try to label homosexuality as immoral, it is the ingrained biases of these codes that they are referring to, not any real reason why homosexuality is immoral.
There are situation where sexual activity, both homosexual and heterosexual, can become immoral, but this has nothing to do with orientation. When sex acts are forced on unwilling participants they become immoral and criminal acts of rape. In addition to this, any sex acts forced upon people who cannot consent (ex. children or the mentally disabled) are also immoral. Neither of these immoral acts depends upon the sexual orientation or genders of those involved, but rather the concept of consent. As the only thing that separates a consensual homosexual relationship and a consensual heterosexual relationship is the gender of those involved, the moral issue of consent is equivocal. Saying that homosexual behavior should be morally equated with homosexual instances of rape is just as unfair as morally condemning heterosexuality because most rapes are perpetrated on a person of the opposite sex.
While it isn’t the predominant sexual orientation, labeling homosexuality as “unnatural” is absolutely wrong. According to numerous peer-reviewed studies on the subject, homosexual behavior has been documented in hundreds of animal species; the exact number of species documented to exhibit homosexual behavior is always growing, but the Yale Scientific newsletter has reported that at least 450 examples have been confirmed. If homosexual behavior is documented in hundreds of species—ranging in complexity from fish to human beings—then it is, by definition, a natural occurrence.
At worst, homosexuality is unusual, but not unnatural. Just as some people are born left-handed, some people are born with same sex attraction. The mere fact that an occurrence isn’t the norm, does not justify calling it unnatural, and certainly doesn’t justify banning it.
The government has no business banning homosexuality for several simple reasons:
- Homosexuals aren’t harming anybody: there is no compelling social interest that would justify our government intruding into the lives of homosexuals and regulating their behavior. As previously pointed out, homosexuality has no effect on the lives of others and isn’t something that can potentially damage the health of society.
- Just because something isn’t the norm, there is no reason for the government to ban it: Plenty of human characteristics aren’t “normal,” including being left handed (less than 30% of the population) or having green eyes (less than 5% of the population), yet homosexuality is the one which is singled out for persecution. It isn’t until a behavior is damaging to others that the government becomes able to ban it to protect the common good.
- The government is severely restricted in regulating sexual activity: according to Supreme Court decisions, the government is extremely limited in its ability to regulate certain sectors of life (ex. sex, child-raising, and religion) where there is no compelling interest.
The 2003 Supreme Court case Lawrence v. Texas that struck down state sodomy bans is the case that confirms the inability of state governments to regulate private sexual activity. According to the Supreme Court’s interpretation of the constitution, a state lacks any compelling interest to insert itself into the personal sex lives of consenting adults—gay of straight—and thus any bans on sexual conduct between such consenting parties is unconstitutional. This decision, in no uncertain terms, concludes that banning gay people from having sex is not within the power of the government, regardless of the stated justification. That said, this case does not prevent states from interfering with marriage (a state-sanctioned contract), or refusing to pass employer discrimination laws.
When all things are considered, the arguments that homosexuality is immoral or unnatural are simply false on their face. Such arguments are based in bigotry rather than reality and are not valid arguments for public policy. It is undeniable that homosexuality isn’t the predominant sexual orientation, but it is a natural phenomenon and has no moral component. As a morally and ethically neutral phenomenon, the government has no interest in legislating discrimination against gays and no constitutional ability to do so.
3) “Gay marriage isn’t natural marriage and is a redefinition of the term”
This argument must be broken down into two parts to refute, as it is actually half true. On one hand, expanding marriage to include gay couples would change marriage but, on other hand, there is no such thing as “natural marriage.” Just as with sin (see above section), marriage is a societal construct that has no empirical definition other than what society has decided it to be; as society changes, marriage has been redefined numerous times. There is no such thing as “natural marriage,” and there is nothing wrong with letting marriage evolve as society sheds its bigotries against minority groups.
While many religious people like to look at marriage as a static ceremony that has existed unchanged for thousands of years, this is simply not the case. The Judeo-Christian concept of marriage (when religious people talk about marriage in the United States, this is what they are talking about 99% of the time) has existed for thousands of years, but it has radically evolved during this time.
Back in biblical times, marriage was a drastically different thing then it is today. A woman had virtually no power in the relationship and was considered little more than the property of her husband. A woman was essentially sold to her husband (with a dowry price) under the expectation that she would serve him and give him children. In many cases, these marriages involved numerous women married to a single man. Fortunately, as civilization evolved over the centuries, society changed and marriage evolved to give women equality in the relationship.
Back in the era of slavery, there were several definitions of marriage. Marriage between white Americans was similar to what we now consider marriage today (although with fewer rights for the woman and less of a possibility for divorce), but marriage for the other races was radically different. Marriages between slaves, when permitted, were annullable through distance (ex. when one of them was sold) and had no legal value. Marriages between white Americans and free black Americans weren’t legal under the law at all. Eventually, slavery was abolished, and interracial marriage was legalized, but it is still important to note that marriage was changed radically within the lifespan of our relatively young civilization.
As is evident by the changes that the concept of marriage has undergone over the years, the entire idea of “traditional marriage” simply doesn’t exist in any meaningful form. Marriage is constantly changing, thus there is no real way to point to a single incarnation of the term and call it “traditional”. Less than 50 years have gone by since the radical change in marriage that was legalized interracial marriage, thus making what current religious people call “traditional marriage” very young. In reality, those who support “traditional marriage” are simply taking what they consider marriage today and asserting that that is how things have always been in order to fight reform.
Despite the mutable definition of marriage, it is true that allowing gay people to marry could realistically be considered a redefinition of the idea of marriage. Whether it is fair or not, for hundreds of years, marriage in western civilization has been exclusively between a man and a woman. Allowing gay people to marry on equal terms with straight people would be a departure from this precedent, but not one that should be feared.
The expansion of marriage to include homosexual couples changes the definition of marriage in a manner very similar to when interracial marriage was legalized in 1967. In both situations, societal bigotry prevented certain people from being married, even if they were consenting adults and in a relationship. As society changed and bigotries became less acceptable, marriage between the previously discriminated against groups became legalized. Eventually, society accepts the new definition of marriage as mainstream and any attacks on the newly accepted groups becomes socially unacceptable (ex. attacking interracial marriage today). Today, gay marriage has not hit the point where it is mainstream (although a majority of Americans believe that it should be legal), but this will come in the future—as more states accept gay marriage, it will follow interracial marriage into the mainstream and the issue will gradually fade from view.
Just as we now hear about the terrible dangers of “changing the definition of marriage” by letting gay people get married, we heard identical arguments during the push to legalize interracial marriage. For example, here is a quote from a Georgia State representative during debate over the potential legalization of interracial marriage:
“Allowing interracial marriages “necessarily involves the degradation” of conventional marriage, an institution that “deserves admiration rather than execration.”
Sound familiar to anybody?
The next time that you hear somebody try to use this argument, you can simply ask them if they support the “changing” of the definition of marriage to include interracial couples during the 1960s. If they answer this question in the affirmative, then you can simply point out that legalizing interracial marriage was demonstrably a change in the definition of marriage; as they admit to supporting a previous change in marriage, they cannot argue that marriage is has a “traditional” and immutable definition. If marriage could be changed back then to include interracial couples, then nothing but bigotry prevents it from being changed today to include gay couples.
4) “Letting gay people marry and have equal rights diminishes marriage and harms the sanctity of straight marriage.”
In many arguments about rights there is a balancing act between the rights of different groups (ex. a racist shopkeeper versus a black patron), but marriage equality is most certainly not one of these issues. Giving equal marriage rights to gay individuals has absolutely no effect on the marriages of other people.
The ability of gay people to get married under the law has simply no way of affecting the marriages of straight people other than by offending their religious moralities. Letting gay people marry will just extend the very same rights and protections enjoyed by straight couples over gay couples and will in no way reduce these rights. Marriage rights are not a negative sum situation where giving some people rights takes away from everybody else and there is no realistic justification for preventing gay couples from marrying.
In the secular law, marriage is simply a contract between two individuals that ensures certain societal and tax considerations. Married couples enjoy special tax rates, a protection against compulsory testimony in criminal proceedings (spousal privilege), and several other benefits that unmarried couples don’t get. In secular law, the sanctity of marriage is little more than a bond between two people recognized by the state and given special privileges, thus the genders of those involved really shouldn’t matter (e.g. how could the genders of those involved possible effect the process of joint asset tax filings?). Denying marriage equality is less a matter of secular policy and the integrity of the secular marriage contract, then it is religion bleeding into secular policy.
When talking about the “sanctity of marriage” in regard to gay equality, it is important to make the distinction between religious marriage and secular marriage. A religion has the 1st Amendment right not to perform gay marriages if doing so would be in violation of their religious tenants, but this is not what is at issue. What we are talking about is letting gay people be married under secular law and getting all of the benefits that come with the marriage. In short, a religion may deny the “sanctity” of gay marriages and refuse to recognize such bonds for religious reasons, but the secular government should not be able to deny the secular benefits of marriage to gay couples that wish to marry.
Personally, I have always found the idea of gay marriage attacking the sanctity of marriage to be an amusing concept, particularly considering many of the champions of such attacks. I simply need to ask, if right wing champion of the “sanctity of marriage” Newt Gingrich’s pattern of cheating on and divorcing his wife when she gets sick or too old doesn’t damage marriage, how could giving the right to marry to a committed gay couple do any harm?
Whenever somebody makes the argument that marriage equality harms straight marriage, you should challenge them to tell you exactly how. Does it make them love their spouse any less or reduce their rights as a married couple in any way? Inevitably, they will default to a religious justification where you can simply make the argument that that is an issue for their church—the secular law should be independent from theology and the secular contract that is marriage is the only thing at issue. If they want to belong to a church that refuses to acknowledge that gay people are married within their religious ceremonies, then that is their prerogative, but this is no reason to deny gay people the secular benefits of marriage.
5) “Gay marriage and equal protections for homosexuals should be left up to the states.”
This argument is wrong for the exact same reason that racial and gender discrimination protections cannot be left up to a state-level vote: in our country, rights are not up to a vote, and it is the job of the federal government to ensure that every state gives every citizen equal protections under the law.
Letting states decide on civil rights (including equal protections and marriage rights) simply allows bigoted states to legislate discrimination. Such laws create disparities in the civil rights of minority groups based upon where they live in the country. In a progressive state, gay individuals would have equal rights under the law but in a conservative state, they would be devoid of legal protections against discrimination (if not discriminated against under the law).
In addition to the issue of equal protections, such state-level legal disparities create a severe problem when people start moving. For example, if a couple is married in MA but moves to TX, what happens to their marriage? Does their marriage become annulled when they move to a state that doesn’t recognize same-sex marriage? Do they have equal marriage privileges and ability to divorce as any other couple? What about a situation where gay couples that move into a state are allowed to stay married but gay couples who live in the state are barred from enjoying equal rights? Such situations violate the equal protections clause of the 14th Amendment and create a bizarre legal quagmire that really shows us why unequal civil rights in different states for a minority group cannot work.
It is important to note that this interpretation of the law is only my opinion and the Supreme Court is currently deciding on whether a state can ban gay marriage. The case of Hollingsworth v. Perry, where California’s “Proposition 8” gay marriage ban is being challenged, is still being decided on by the Supreme Court. As no decision has been given in this case, there is no conclusive stare decisis that would prevent states from banning gay marriage.
Until the Supreme Court rules in this case and (hopefully) interprets the constitution to render gay marriage bans unconstitutional, anybody who makes this argument should be refuted with a generalized rights argument. Do they want to live in a country where their rights may be limited by a state—or group of states—or would they like to live in a country where they have the same rights regardless of where they live? What happens when a state decides to attack them as a minority and this precedent is there to support the constitutionality of such an attack?
In numerous other situations (ex. segregation), it has been found that the federal government must ensure that states don’t infringe on a minority groups’ rights, regardless of state votes. If the Supreme Court follows the same legal reasoning as other civil rights and equal protections fights (ex. interracial marriage), they will make it unconstitutional for a state to restrict the marriage rights of homosexuals and will put this argument to bed.
6) “Gay people shouldn’t be allowed to adopt children because they are unfit parents.”
Put plainly, this argument is demonstrably false according to most of the statistical evidence that we have available. As far as we can tell, all unbiased data tells us that gay parents and straight parents of similar demographic groups have very similar results in raising children.
In general, this argument is based around the supposition that a child requires both a mother and a father to develop properly—this may appear logical on its face, but the evidence does not bear it out. Traditional gender roles (ex. father as the breadwinner and authoritarian and mother as the nurturing influence) are not as solid as many would claim, thus there is no real requirement for both a mother and a father to be present; a relationship with two women as the parents can easily provide the exact same levels of authority and nurture as a relationship between a man and a woman. It is certainly true that two-parent households often produce superior results to single-parent households, but this only support the argument for letting gay couples adopt. Regardless of what anybody says, same-sex households are demonstrably two-parent.
Numerous studies have looked at the results of stable same-sex households and have concluded that homosexual parents are just as competent as heterosexual parents. Children raised in same-sex households have no worse academic, psychological, or health results then children who grow up in demographically similar heterosexual households. In fact, many such studies have actually concluded that same-sex couples have statistically better results than the average heterosexual household.
The statistically high positive results for same-sex couples is likely due to the fact that such couples often rely on adoption for their children. Unlike straight couples, gay couples don’t accidentally have children, thus are statistically more likely to be ready to have children. The need to adopt or get in-vitro fertilization by same-sex couples completely removes the variable of unplanned parenthood and ensures that the parents are economically and psychologically prepared to raise their children. Adoption involves a vetting process before the couple is given children to raise and acts as a check to make sure that the parents are fit to raise children. While in-vitro fertilization doesn’t involve a vetting process, it is expensive and is only possible for relatively well-off couples that are highly motivated to have children—such couples are likely to take an interest in their children’s upbringing and have positive parenting results.
It is true that there are many studies which claim same-sex couples to be inferior in raising children, but most of these studies are heavily biased. Oftentimes, such studies are commissioned and paid for by anti-gay groups and have extreme methodological issues. These studies regularly claim that children raised by their biological parents in stable homes have an advantage over children raised in single parent or unmarried couple households; in a limited view, these studies are correct but they are presenting a deceptive narrative. By equating same-sex unmarried couples with single parent and unstable households, these studies skew the statistics on parenting results so that same-sex couples appear inferior. The bad results of unstable households are lumped together with the parenting statistics of stable same-sex households thus the average results appear deceptively below that of stable married couples.
When income and family stability are removed from the equation, the disparity in parenting results falls away and we see that gay couples are just as competent as straight couples. Some people may be deceived by misleading data presented by anti-gay groups (just as many are confused by oil money funded “climate studies” that reject climate change) but these people are simply wrong.
7) “It is a violation of the 1st Amendment to ban religious people from discriminating against gays.”
While everybody has the 1st Amendment right to believe in and practice a religion of their choice (or no religion at all), nobody has the right to violate another person’s civil rights in service of their religion.
In accordance with the protections of the 1st Amendment, the government is severely restricted in its ability to interfere with the internal workings of religious institutions and has no ability to exert control over religious dogma. Any religious organization can preach hatred towards homosexuals without fear of interference (case in point: the Westborough Baptist Church), but this protection has its limits.
Religious people/organizations have the constitutional right to:
- Label homosexuality a sin and condemn it in their churches.
- Refuse to perform gay marriages.
- Deny religious employment to any homosexual without worrying about discrimination lawsuits (ex. the government cannot force the Catholic Church to ordain a gay priest)
- Protest against homosexuals in a non-violent and orderly manner.
Religious people/organizations do not have the constitutional right to:
- Enforce their religious beliefs on others by inserting their sexual morality into law (ex. anti-sodomy laws).
- Preach or perpetrate violence against homosexuals.
- Attempt to forcibly “cure” homosexuals against their will (ex. kidnapping and attempting exorcisms)
- Engage in political activity that would violate a church’s non-profit status.
Basically, every religious person and organization has the ability to control their own personal beliefs and religious ceremonies, but their right to religious freedom ends when their conduct begins to harm others. Our government must stay out of churches, mosques and synagogues, but this also requires for religious institutions to be banned from encroaching on public life. If somebody believes in a religion, they can voluntarily put themselves under the religious laws/requirements of their faith, but these laws should have no effect on those who do not choose to be in the religion.
In short, you do have a 1st Amendment right to be a bigot until you start harming others. At that point, your conduct ceases to be protected religious beliefs and becomes a burden on others.
Most commonly, this argument is used to justify religious hate speech against homosexuals and to avoid anti-bullying laws. In terms of federal law, as long as an individual is not inciting violence, trespassing, or presenting a hazard, they are able to say even the vilest anti-gay rhetoric. The Snyder v. Phelps et. al. decision in 2011 decided that even the repulsive and disruptive funeral protesting of the Westborough Baptist Church was protected speech until they crossed these important lines. Unfortunately, this justification allows many religious groups to openly preach hatred against homosexuals while leaving there to be virtually no way to stop them.
Fortunately, the ability of religious groups to hide behind the 1st Amendment ends at their ability to extrude homosexuals from their ranks and say terrible things. Any time that a religious group attempts to claim that the 1st Amendment protects their right to legislate their beliefs, remind them of the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment. Just as their religious beliefs are protected from government intrusion, the amendment prevents them from inserting their religion into law. If they reject the idea that religions are barred from inserting themselves into politics, you can simply remind them that their religion isn’t the only one and that this protection is what prevents other religions from imposing on their members
There are situations which are illegal regardless of religious beliefs. Violence or calls for violence are against the law regardless of the perpetrator’s religious persuasions; as such, any hate crimes perpetrated by religious groups are not covered under the 1st Amendment’s protection of religious conduct. If an individual is calling for violence against gays (ex. sanctioning gay bashing or physical bullying) or perpetrating it themselves, they should be hit with not only the full force of the law, but any hate-crime sentencing enhancements that are applicable.
8) “Homosexuality isn’t protected by the law because sexual behavior is a choice.”
In order to make this argument, people make two specious assumptions: first, they assume that homosexuality is a choice and second, they assert that they have the right to legally ban a lifestyle choice which harms nobody.
First of all, most of the evidence that is available today indicates that homosexuality is at least partly biologically hardwired. It is no more a choice than whether or not one is left-handed or right-handed. It is likely that upbringing has some effect on sexual orientation, but it is still undeniably that the biological component has a significant effect on sexual orientation.
As an inborn characteristic, homosexual attraction is not something that can be changed and is not something that the law should discriminate against. Homosexuals harm nobody and deserve to have as much choice in their relationships as any straight American. Discriminating against gay people is as unfair as discriminating against a racial group—neither can change who they are and should anybody expect them to try.
Ultimately, even if homosexuality were a choice, there would still be no legal justification for the US government banning it. As I have previously mentioned, there is no compelling governmental interest that would justify the government interfering in the personal sex lives of gay Americans. This was confirmed in Lawrence v. Texas and there is simply no way for the government to constitutionally bar homosexuals from being in relationships.
Our country was founded, at least in part, on the idea of personal liberty and the right of individuals to control their own lives. To this end, our government is not able to restrict private conduct that has no negative consequences for others.
When people make this argument, they are almost always saying that homosexuals should ignore their natural attractions and should simply not engage in homosexual sex; sometimes, these people even suggest that entering into a relationship with a person of the opposite sex can turn them straight. Basically, they don’t care if homosexuals don’t change who they are, they just don’t want them to act on their attraction. This argument is just wrong on its face and almost always ends badly. When individuals repress their sexuality, they often develop severe psychological issues, including depression, suicidal thoughts, binge/deny behaviors, and misdirected sexual attraction (ex. celibate priests molesting children). Such behaviors are not healthy and can often result in harm to the individual as well as collateral damage to those around them.
My argument against this assertion is very simple: Unlike homosexual attraction, homosexual activity is a choice and is up to the individual. Just as Americans may choose their diet and their favorite type of music, everybody can choose who they are attracted to and what they want to do with their consenting partner. The second that we let our government start intruding on the personal lives of homosexuals, we open our own lives up to scrutiny. If the government can interfere in the sex lives of homosexuals, then it can reach into anybody’s lives and interfere with any activity of choice.
As a special note, I would also point out that religious and political affiliations are both choices that are just what anti-homosexual activists describe homosexuality as: voluntary activities that somebody can deny if they truly want to. If the government can say that homosexuals cannot engage in sex with the people that they choose, what prevents them from singling out a political party and saying that they cannot engage in the activities of their choice? After all, political activity is a choice and anybody can choose to re-orient themselves to another ideology. Almost anybody would say that such interference into a person’s private activities is a massive violation of privacy and personal choice. Despite this consensus, many still attempt to force homosexuals to change their personal behaviors. Is sexual conduct less personal than political expression?
9) “Gay people already have equal marriage rights because they are allowed to marry a person of the opposite sex.”
This argument is simply a rehashing of the old segregationist idea that interracial marriage isn’t a civil rights issue because everybody has the equal right to marry somebody of the same race. Just as with the issue of interracial marriage, this argument is false on its face and does nothing to mitigate how unfair the situation is.
“Each [party seeking to marry a member of a different race] has the right and the privilege of marrying within his or her own group.”
Perez v. Lippold dissenting opinion
The simple fact that an individual has the right to marry somebody that they don’t want to does nothing to blunt the intrusion when the government prevents them from marrying the person who they care for. Put plainly, we saw this movie before and we know how it ends: such ridiculous arguments are rejected by the courts and the right of people to marry the person of their choice is upheld—bigotry loses and logic prevails.
10. “Gay couples should be availed equal legal status but we shouldn’t call this status marriage.”
People who support this argument mean well—they are at least trying to make an effort at promoting equality—but they don’t propose a long term solution for gay equality.
Creating a pseudo-marriage statute (such as civil unions) in order to achieve compromise between the religious and homosexuals sounds good, but is actually only the perpetuation of bigotry. The creation of a stop-gap status in order to placate the gay community would reduce the pressure for politicians to push for true equality and would force gay couples into a legal second-class status.
Separate but equal has never worked in issues of civil rights, and there is no expectation that it would work with gay marriage. Just as with racial “separate but equal” laws, separation would easily be achieved, but equality would likely never arrive. It is highly likely that conservative states and groups would reduce the rights of gay couples far below that of straight couples if two types of marriage were to be created.
There is one potential solution to the problem created by this argument, but it would likely be politically impossible to pass. This solution would be to simply eliminate secular “marriage” and create one statute that would encompass all secular “marriages” and “civil unions.” The state would create a secular label for the current marriage bond and would leave the entire language of marriage to be decided by religious groups and the individuals. If a religion or couple wants to call their bond marriage, then that is their choice, but the state would refer to the bond in a religiously neutral manner; people who are currently married would be unaffected other than the legal label of their bond being changed in the tax code/law books. In essence, this would ensure that every couple—gay or straight—would have the rights guaranteed under current marriage statutes (preferential tax statuses, spousal privilege, etc.), but no religion could claim that the marriage bond is being sullied.
11. “Gay couples cannot produce children so they should not be given the right to marry.”
The ability to reproduce is not, and has never been, a legal requirement for marriage. Adding such a requirement for the right to marry now is both unfair and would have serious legal ramifications.
First of all, adding the ability to reproduce as a requirement to marry is just an excuse to discriminate against gay people. There is no rational reason why the government would impose such a requirement on couples who wish to marry (we aren’t exactly facing a shortage of reproducing couples). Put plainly, this requirement is reverse-engineered to ban gay marriage equality and serves no purpose in the secular law
If we should prevent gay couples from marrying simply because they cannot reproduce, then why shouldn’t we stop other infertile Americans from being married as well? Men with low sperm counts, who have had vasectomies, or who have another type of reproductive disorder are as unable to reproduce with their partner as any homosexual; the same for women who are post-reproductive age, infertile due to illness, or who have undergone sterilization surgery. Banning gay marriage based upon this requirement would throw the marriages of these infertile individuals into question and would illegitimize a huge percentage of marriages.
Anybody to make this argument should be very careful what they wish for: if they get their way, they may find that their marriage ends as soon as they are too old or sick to reproduce.
12. “Gay marriage opens up a slippery slope to marriage with animals, children and inanimate objects”
There is no nice way to say this: If you are using this argument, you are either incredibly stupid, believe that your listener is incredibly stupid, or are dredging up the bottom of the barrel for justifications for your bigotry.
In marriage—gay or straight—two legal adults are making a consensual vow to become legally bound in marriage or civil union. As animals, children and inanimate objects are incapable of consenting to such a vow, there is no comparison to be made with gay marriage. Equating the consensual marriage of two adults with child or animal marriage is taking the slipper-slope argument to an absurd and ridiculous extreme.
Just as with several other anti-gay rights arguments, this one is a retread of an old anti-interracial marriage argument:
“The underlying factors that constitute justification for laws against miscegenation closely parallel those which sustain the validity of prohibitions against incest and incestuous marriages.”
Perez v. Lippold dissenting opinion
Despite what the bigots argued back then there was no flood of incestuous marriages after interracial marriages were legalized in the United States. Now, the same type of argument is being used by a new group of bigots to attack gay marriage equality—unsurprisingly, these assertions will turn out to be just as false as the anti-interracial marriage assertions were during the last big fight over marriage.
I hope people read this article and change their views, everyone has the right to love.
Couple of points. I have no issues with homosexuality besides the fact it is a sin ( I am a Christian, of the Chuch of Christ domination)
I understand where you are Coming from, some Christians use Christ and the Bibles as bigot weapons, the term “A few bad apples spoil the bunch” is perfect here. Most Christians I know fine with homosexuality until we hit the Spirit aspect of it. The Bible doesn’t actually speak much about homosexuality at all, but when mention it is considered a “sinful” act. Which it is according to the Christian doctrine. But, the trouble is, we ( Christians) are well. Fearful of speaking up. Every time Christians refuse to serve Homosexuals, or speak out against them, we are silenced extremely quickly. Be it loss of money, business, or life. It happens, and a recent poll indicates that 3% of the population of the USA are homosexuals. While 70% are Christians. And it’s sad that of all that percent that claim Christ, we fail, to speak up. In a way we are trapped, the Bible says “Fathers provide for your family” but also “Those who die in the name of Christ will receive the riches of Heaven” ( or something along these lines). And even as Christians we become enthralled by earthly things. Because for a Christian, we are in our wrost age. Porn at fingertips, sinful ideas with in a few clicks, and phones that capture our lives. The average teenager has more access to information than the United States President 50 years ago. But, what you never hear about is homosexual bigots (as in the Homosexual being the bigot) mouthing and slandering the Bible and Christ. But we never hear about that, funny thing the media. A baker was fined 150,000 dollars when he refused service to a homosexual couple. It’s a clash see? Homosexuals claim discrimination while Christians are simply standing up only to be shoved back down. You see gay rights, you see gay equality. But where are our Christian/Religious rights? Where are the Civil Religion Movements? Where are our rights? Ask yourself that next time
Thank you for reading
Is the evil God you worship not on your side, Standing Christian? Why beg your enemies to show you the mercy you never showed us when you were in charge for centuries? You have killed us, raped us, and thrown us out and still do the latter to this day. Aren’t the great monster Yahweh and his Coward Son strong enough to strike us down and drive us before you?
How’s your faith these days?
This is total bull
1. yup your going get shot down freedom of religion is not freedom from criticism your free to rant and rave your nonsense but expect to be chewed out when you do especially from gays who your religion deems degenerates does this surprise you?(FYI no Christians are not being killed for opposing gay marriage)as for the bakery incident it’s a public for profit business thus i has no right to refuse to bake said cake. So bottom line your not discriminated against so get over yourselves.
I would love for the emphasis of Christianity to be about Christ’s message instead of ancient Judaic Law, which Jesus expressly stated he came to move aside and replace with “a new covenant.” The only son Jesus himself ever indicted himself was self-righteous condemnation of others. If you simply look at what Jesus actually spent his time teaching and doing, it wasn’t condemning the sins of others, it was preaching unconditional love of the other.
The laws of our country, and specifically the actions of the SCOTUS, increasingly attempt to protect the marginalized minorities in or society. Until the extremely remote possibility occurs in which Christians become a marginalized minority in the country, their ability to assert their religious beliefs onto the behaviors of others will continue to be curtailed. We are, after all, not a theocracy.
Thank you Haley I agree we all should have the same rights and love who we want to love. It shouldn’t matter what God says he’s dead so he can’t tell us what to do now so why shouldn’t we be able to love who we want and do what we want.
God is not dead he’s alive even though He did indeed get nailed to the cross and let out his last breathe He came back three days later talking to his followers
He let the romans kill him because it was part of the plan His Father had told him
Jesus died for ours sins because He loves us and cares about us. (John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”)
He created us to make our own choices
But sometimes our choices aren’t the best ones that’s why we have the Bible to teach us how to be closer to Him and understand why we can’t do some things like gossiping, Luke 6:31 says And as you wish others would do to you, do so to them. That verse means if you gossip about your classmate that did something wrong do you want someone to gossip about something you did as well? If not don’t do it.
“Proverbs 3:5-6 ”
“Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.”
He loves everyone but since us as humans can’t stop sinning due to Adam and Eve eating the fruit from the Good and evil we can’t help but sin everyday its not our fault we were born into a sinful world, that’s why Jesus is here to help us become more like Him.
Jesus is the Son, Father and The Holy Spirit also known as the trinity “three in one”
If Christianity and other religions have no bearing on the secular United States government, why are polygamy and incest illegal?
Polygamy is normally viewed as detrimental due to the challenge of trying to hold multiple spouses equally.
Incestis proven to increase likelyhood of genetic diseases. I recommend that you not take my word but research the subject yourself.
This is so wonderful. Thank you, thank you! I am nipping paragraphs from your document, compiling a Word document to help me argue my case as I will come out to my very conservative parents soon. This is so eloquently and powerfully written.
Sometimes, I find these types of discussion troublesome. It’s not gay marriage that bothers me. I don’t oppose it — however, what bothers me is the insistence of some militant people to prove their perception of “rightness” or that by and large, society’s acceptance is somehow equal to the acceptance of all society of gay relationships as religiously ok. It is an insistence that has really taken a dark turn — especially in the streets of major cities where I have observed parades in support of gay marriage, etc. It really has taken the attention of big money as something they can safely support, as opposed to for example, #blacklivesmatter — still so controversial, and still very needed.
I will just pray that you will come to know Christ in your life. Jesus loves you so much.
You know, there are LGBTI Christians. Except if you don’t include them as part of your uber-exclusive Christian posse.
2. You say that homosexuality in other animals exists and you take that fact to argue that it is natural. False. The fact that something exists along other options, taken alone, is not an argument for that being natural or valid. To decide this other factors must always be considered.
If you considered that the fact of existing makes something natural, then for example you will consider being blind, deaf or lacking a leg natural and typical of humans; you also consider natural tortoises’ tendency to have sex with a rock, or smoking in apes, if this has been observed, then for you it’s natural, no doubts!
yet I don’t think any self-respecting biologist would agree: in defining species (essentially this is defining what is ‘natural’ for a group of animals/plants which have at least some shared characteristics) they will not consider equally all characteristics: typically, those which predominate among a population are considered, and those who favor the continuity of species.
So if we consider sex, you see that every organism with sexual reproduction (animals, plants, pretty much everything except bacteria), has individuals of two sexes, the only way to create new individuals being mating between two individuals of opposite sex. This makes heterosexuality look natural by our previous definitions, I think.
It can be observed too that homosexuality does not lead to offspring, and so does not perpetuate itself, while heterosexuality generates offspring. It looks similar to how inheritance of many traits work: some traits are dominant, tending to propagate and predominate ever more, while others while existing are minoritary and tend to diminish (for examples, blue eyes, red hair). On describing an species usually this dominant traits are included in the definition as ‘natural’, while not forgetting to take alternatives into account, in order to provide useful definitions and categories. It can easily be seen how heterosexuality is dominant and ‘natural’ (not just in humans, also in animals, plants, etc), as I imagine you will be honest enough to admit that homosexuality is not majoritary (though I don’t know for sure).
You’re both wrong. The logic that ‘something is unnatural, therefore it is wrong/bad’ is, in of itself, fallacious. It is an appeal to nature, and is begging the question. See, the (unstated) premise is ‘what is natural is good’. However, this premise is not adressed nor proven. The reasoning is logically fallacious. Furthermore, the concept of what is un/natural is arbitrarily defined, as you yourself attested; “yet I don’t think any self-respecting biologist would agree: in defining species (essentially this is defining what is ‘natural’ for a group of animals/plants which have at least some shared characteristics) they will not consider equally all characteristics: typically, those which predominate among a population are considered, and those who favor the continuity of species.” What you don’t mention that any differentiating between species/populations of genetically similar individuals is ARBITRALILY defined by the consensus of b̶i̶o̶l̶o̶g̶i̶s̶t̶s̶ phylogeneticists. I would also like to mention that, contrary to what you said, not “pretty much everything except bacteria” uses sexual reproduction. You are missing an entire domain, the archaebacteria, and furthermore, only eukaryotes use sexual reproduction, which represent a tiny minority of organisms. Furthermore, not all eukaryotes actually use sexual reproduction. Ironically, If we go by your definition of ‘natural’, sex is not natural.
Blob of crap from a Marxist socialist or a communist , which ever fits you best .
I would bet that you couldn’t explain the actual differences between the three.
Well done. It’s pretty incredible that a blog with only 8 likes is only the second thing that comes up on my google results when looking for gay and transgender rights argument debunking. We need a lot more writers like you, obviously! Thank you for posting.
in the name of our SEPARATE constitutional republican mortal state and liberal democratic mortal society – leave persons who are nonviolent, avoiding aggression, and nonsinning, avoiding harm to others, alone. two – or more – consenting adults marrying or a person changing gender does NOT affect others. live and let live in our welfare capitalist mortal marketplace and shop for better ideas than paranoia and mortal state power run amok. protect children and leave consenting adults be with their partners, gender, books, guns, faith or non faith, drugs, etc. buddha, tao, gods, and goddesses bless from this humble little MTF buddhist woman. truce to one and all, for it’s not either-or or both – it’s ALL.
Great read, very well-written. I cited this article in a paper I wrote for my College Writing class (argument in favor of same-sex marriage).
Many of these arguments are not good at all. Homosexuality does affect the society, homosexuals often abuse other homosexuals or are abused
Advocates of the homosexual agenda seek special rights for homosexuals that other people don’t have, such as immunity from criticism (hate speech, hate crimes). Such special rights will necessarily come at the expense of the rights of broader society. The homosexual agenda is the biggest threat to the right of free speech today.Now that marriage “equality” is the law of the land, the next phase of the struggle is to work toward the elimination of marriage as an institution, Metz argues.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/lgbt-activists-marriage-was-never-the-end-game/#6jgPAmebw5s3e8ir.99. The LGBT activists want to redefine or in this case abolish marriage- what is marriage? It is stupid to say marriage is just a union between 2 people that ‘love’ each other. Feelings of love or romance or physical attraction do not constitute marriage. Marriage is a natural institution- of all the organs in a human’s body the only one that cannot perform its function alone is the reproductive system- the male and female are complimentary and it is only in this union that marriage truly takes place, in a procreative kind of union in which the spouses become one flesh- that is impossible with 2 men or 2 women, despite the love or attraction they may feel for each other. Also committment in homosexual relationships or ‘marriages’ rarely last, or if they do then infidelity is a normal occurence- feelings of love do not last forever- in all marriages the feelings are often not their- there has to be true committment based on love that goes deeper than physical attraction or emotional attachment. it is estimated that homosexuals or lesbians average about 100-500 partners in their lifetimes- now that is unhealthy and not true love- just using other people for sexual pleasure and moving on to the next person when the last cannot afford any more pleasure or emotional security. This whole LGBT thing is only leading to the breakdown of marriage and family leading to children with physchological issues etc. This whole issue is supported on the basis that if 2 people love each other they should be ‘married’
About children of gay parents I have heard bad things. A gay male couple adopted 9 boys and they all came out publicly and said they had been abused by their fathers. A friend lived next door to a lesbian couple who was in a relationship with several women and had 2 boys. The boys were exposed to horrible things which young children should never be exposed to, they and constant fighting between their mother and her partner and they would always try to spend time with the father of the neigbors next door. The mother later told him that her boys hated her and desperatly wanted a father figure…
I could cite literally dozens of examples of straight couples doing truly horrible things to children and raising dysfunctional families, but this would be just as irrelevant as your anecdotes. If you look at the statistics, gay couples actually have better than average results, likely due to their lack of accidental parenthood.